How Trump’s ‘51st State’ Canada Talk Came to Be Seen as Deadly Serious (www.nytimes.com)
from [email protected] to [email protected] on 07 Mar 2025 17:44
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The details of the conversations between the two leaders, and subsequent discussions among top U.S. and Canadian officials, have not been previously fully reported, and were shared with The New York Times on condition of anonymity by four people with firsthand knowledge of their content. They did not want to be publicly identified discussing a sensitive topic.

On those calls, President Trump laid out a long list of grievances he had with the trade relationship between the two countries, including Canada’s protected dairy sector, the difficulty American banks face in doing business in Canada and Canadian consumption taxes that Mr. Trump deems unfair because they make American goods more expensive.

He also brought up something much more fundamental.

He told Mr. Trudeau that he did not believe that the treaty that demarcates the border between the two countries was valid and that he wants to revise the boundary. He offered no further explanation.

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[email protected] on 07 Mar 2025 18:56 next collapse

Canada will be waiting. Fuck around and find out!

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 09:48 collapse

???

Aren’t you guys not spending enough on your military or something?

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 14:16 next collapse

We spend money on more things than just a military. We have things like universal Healthcare and education. Ever hear of those things? Doubtful

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 18:08 collapse

Moving goalposts.

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 14:50 next collapse

More than Afghanistan does. Win any wars lately?

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 15:57 next collapse

Americans want to become the second best army in Canada

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 16:08 next collapse

You forget Canada wouldn’t be fighting alone. NATO would have to side with Canada and even if it didn’t every America would be kicked out and NATO would be an anti American force

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 16:09 next collapse

Didn’t you lose to the honda equipped Taliban btw?

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 18:08 collapse

No?

Why do you think that will make Canada win against the US in a war?

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 19:29 collapse

Ya did you dingbat. Hows did that war on ‘terror’ go?

If you couldn’t beat Vietnamese troops, Isis, alqaeda, the Taliban. You have no hope of beating nato in any serious scenario

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 16:30 collapse

Are you talking about the NATO shortfall? Because the Canadian government has a number of places where it is scrambling to find budget for a lot of things. Consider

  • An expanded commitment to rehoming and financially supporting refugees from Ukraine. Processing and approving 962,612 submissions starting from 2022

  • Reconciliation efforts with notoriously under served indigenous nations to improve dismal conditions of services support, locate and providing funding to document the Residential school genocide and providing better support to survivors.

  • Reinvestment in one of the most challenging Public health care landscapes in the world due to the sheer landmass the government is constitutionally on the hook to cover.

  • A history making sized population of people now reaching retirement age and requiring more drastic critical health interventions and social supports than ever before.

Static commitments like NATO spending are a bit like rent. If you are financially struggling through other financially challenging problems the landlord cannot often be convinced to give you a temporary forgiveness for extenuating circumstances. All of the above things are challenges that are either in service to international peace against the encroachment of Russia, the thing NATO was created to do, or they represent inflexible commitments the government has to serve the needs of it’s people as written into it’s own laws… But a NATO landlord has a contract with a number and the number doesn’t change no matter what.

[email protected] on 07 Mar 2025 19:57 next collapse

Thanks for constantly providing cover for Trump NYT!

Get fucked with your passive language. It isn’t seen as deadly serious, they’re threats against our fucking sovereignty.

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 09:12 next collapse

I’m eager to see how the clown expects to ever be trusted again - randomly cancelling his own and ages old treaties at will or using threats to do so for “negotiations” (not to speak threats of annexation of former allies), what’s left for positive diplomacy once he comes to see he needs it?

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 13:01 next collapse

The stupid part is Trump would never make it an actual 51st state, because then they would have as many electoral college delegates as California.

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 16:44 next collapse

There is no 51st state.

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 17:13 collapse

There should be, but it’s called Puerto Rico.

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 18:30 collapse

Oh I fully agree the territories should be states, they do everything we do besides have representation in government.

But I was referencing a youtube series ‘local58’, with all the talk of the “51st state” it’s hard for me to not immediately think of that.

Remember the three 'F’s

[email protected] on 08 Mar 2025 19:33 collapse

If this is the same poll as before, the rest say probably not, and 5% checked a box randomly (the lizardman constant).